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6 Ranch Podcast
6 Ranch Podcast
Mastering Rifle Stability and Precision Gear
Join Mr. G, the original Spartan, as he shares his entrepreneurial journey in the defense industry. From navigating bureaucratic challenges to developing innovative products like the Javelin bipod, he offers insights into the world of precision manufacturing. Discover the passion and dedication behind Spartan Precision and the transformative experiences their products have brought to users.
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Every one of those items will do the job effectively, but you're not going to get your shop putter to run a marathon. You're not going to get your marathon runner to push 200 pounds, so you've got to pick the product that best serves your needs.
Speaker 2:These are stories of outdoor adventure and expert advice from folks with calloused hands. I'm James Nash and this is the Six Ranch Podcast. For those of you out there that are truck guys like me. I want to talk to you about one of our newest sponsors, dect. If you don't know DECT? They make bomb-proof drawer systems to keep your gear organized and safely locked away in the back of your truck. Clothes, rifles, packs, kill kits can all get organized and at the ready so you don't get to your hunting spot and waste time trying to find stuff. We all know that guy. Don't be that guy. They also have a line of storage cases that fit perfectly in the drawers. We use them for organizing ammunition, knives, glassing equipment, extra clothing and camping stuff. You can get a two drawer system for all dimensions of full-size truck beds or a single drawer system that fits mid-size truck beds. And maybe best of all, they're all made in the USA. So get decked and get after it. Check them out at deckedcom. Shipping is always free. Mr g, the original spartan, how are you, sir?
Speaker 1:I'm doing well. I'm doing well. It's great to be back and, uh, good to hear your voice. Yeah, it's I literally. Uh, tomorrow I'm leaving the States. I've been here for about three and a half weeks and I hired myself a little car in North Carolina, charlotte, drove down to Charleston, did a demo for some of your federal agents because we're now doing a lot of defense products as well and then I've driven across the states, got up to corder lane, met a few cool people there, headed back to one of my favorite places on the place planet branded rock canyon, and a lot of driving in between, and when I give that car back tomorrow, I will have done over 6 000 miles on it. So I'm proper gypsy. Like traveling, and it's been a whirlwind, intense whirlwind, but I freaking loved every moment of it. It's been a great journey.
Speaker 2:Word on the street is that you are trying to become one of us.
Speaker 1:Oh, please, it's not word on the street. Anybody that will take me. Jeff? Yeah, no, I'm trying to get my working visa. Me, chum? Yeah, no, I am, I'm trying to get my working visa.
Speaker 1:I think I think I can do a lot more on this side of the uh, of this side of the pond, it's the uk. I'm not in love with the uk. There's lots of things I do love about the uk, but I just see it deteriorating at a rapid rate of knots. And I know you've got your challenges over here as well. We won't get into that argument, but I think we're 20 years further down the drag curve than you are. So if you want an advert on how not to do things, have a look at what the UK has done in the last 15, 20 years. It's an epic disaster. You know. We've got a population 50 plus million. We live on a tiny landmass, the roads don't work, the networks don't work, the telephones it's just crazy.
Speaker 1:And I was trying when I set up a defence business. Your listeners will not believe what I'm about to say, but I promise you this is true. When I set up the defence business, I need a bank account, business bank account. Could I get one for the defence industry. Ooh sorry, mr Gearing, not really sure we want to play in that field. You think, are you freaking, kidding me? Have you seen what's going on in the Ukraine front line? I'm pleased to say I did find a bank, but it wasn't without its challenges, and you think I don't want to be in a country like that anymore. I don't want to be in a country like that anymore. I don't want to be in a country where they're refusing to accept what's going on. So I feel very much more at home on this side of the planet. So, if your dear US embassy will allow me entry, I'm joining you. Yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 2:Well, if you need a letter, I'll write one for you, because I'm a fan of you and I think that we would be lucky to have you. You're an entrepreneur, you're an honest guy and you're a hell of an adventurer and you're not a selfish person. And something that I find increasingly rare within business are people who can see outside of of their own lane and and are willing willing to look, look at the margins and find ways to to improve the quality of life for for the people around them, whether that is to their own benefit or not. And that's something that has always struck me about you is that you are genuinely interested in the well-being of the people around you, and I love that.
Speaker 1:Well, james, I'll take that as a big compliment from you, sir, because I respect you greatly and I don't get it right all the time. But you're right, I'm not driven. Maybe if we were having this podcast 30 years ago, you'd be talking to a different human being, but when you're my old age pretty much a walking antique you, literally you have different drivers and I just want to make really good products. And, of course, a business needs to thrive. It needs to succeed and I really want that, not just for me, but for the team around me needs to thrive. It needs to succeed and I really want that, not just for me, but for the team around me, and I've surrounded myself with what I would say great people that if you come inside and in half, little spartans would fall out and they devote. It's not a job for them, it's a passion.
Speaker 1:Um, and I'd say a few things about me. I'm not dictatorial, you know. I let people learn by their mistakes, because that's how you get better. And and if they make mistakes for the right reasons and I mean by that they're trying to move the ship in the right direction they get it wrong. I'm right behind people like that. What I'm not right behind is stagnation is where people just, oh, I'd rather not do anything.
Speaker 1:Life is about taking a few chances, and you, me and the listeners on your podcast are going to completely get that. The reason we do the kind of things we do and we love it so much is because it is taking a chance. It's a calculated risk, right, but that's what, for me, life's all about, and up until now, touch wood, the gods have been looking after me and I've had a few epic close calls and I've had a few disasters, but I've always got back home safe and sound and I surround myself with great people, and long may that continue. So, within my DNA being a climber, fly fisherman, hunter it's about producing really top end, quality products, and that I think we're getting. We're we're achieving that goal, and the bacteria I use that analogies feels like it's beginning to spread, because people like you talk about us.
Speaker 2:We're not big, we don't have a huge budget, we don't promote well, we're not effective, we don't have that kind of resource, but it certainly feels like we're growing up and going in the right direction so the business that we're talking about here, folks, is, uh, is spartan, precision, right, and you make a wide, wide number of products, but my introduction to you was through the bipod, which is a system that supports a rifle so that you can hold it steady, and then through tripods, and then through a series of advancements since then. What has changed from that time and that was like 2016 time frame ish from the product standpoint it's changed a lot, right? You've also, I feel like, done a good job of learning and and explaining who you are, and you've you've been out there all over the world using and testing this stuff and and listening to people about it. Uh, I'm, I'm I consider myself an honest person, and often to my own detriment at that. So I'm about to slip into one of those phases right now.
Speaker 2:It took me a couple years of using your bipod before I figured out how to do it and how to like it, and at this point, I'm disinterested in using another bipod, and I would say that to you at the same time that I would say it to one of your competitors or to one of my clients or to anybody, because it's the absolute truth. I used one the other day on my 50 BMG, which is a 36 pound gun. I used your smallest bipod on it, kind of just to see if it would break, and I took my buddy out to the range same range that I took you to a few years back and his very first shot with that rifle he hit a 20 inch plate at a thousand yards. And a lot of people think that the the 50 cal is this great long range weapon and it's really not it. It is a powerful gun but it's not necessarily a precision gun, and that was a really splendid shot that he made, but he did it off of a bipod that weighs eight ounces, like that's incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's crazy. I'm fascinated you say that, um, about getting to come to sort of love the bipod and taking some time to build that relationship with it, because you're not the only one, james. I was on a podcast the other day with ryan avery. He was not a fan, he was not a fan and it took several years Now and I take these as big compliments. He said I won't go anywhere into the mountains without taking a javelin. His son shot an Elka 800 plus yards. He'd shot one at 700, his missus had done the same thing. He said why wouldn't I take it? So when you've got people at your kind of level that are telling me that and I don't say it was designed for 50 cal, but I'm I'll take that as a big win. Um, I take that as a huge compliment. It shows that we're getting it right and and the product has evolved a lot. I mean you will have seen the early javelins. You oh much, yeah, yeah, it's. I now look at it and think do you know what? I can't do anything with that, it's. It's where it needs to be.
Speaker 1:And I had a Danish design engineer. I like Danish design, I like Viking designs because they're very simplistic in what they do and they tend to be. Their form and function comes first. Simplicity is really what they're all about and I see a lot of beauty in simplicity. And this Danish design engineer that had been to the Royal Danish Art School said don't take this as an insult, mr Gearing. He said, but that should have been a Danish product. He said it's so simple and beautiful in its form and function that should have been a Danish design. So I thought, yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1:But I'd be the first to say that little bipod is not for everybody. I think it's a great tool for people that are in the mountains. It's the only tool, I think, for me personally. I'm going to say that because I put my heart and soul into it and you know as well as I do I spend a lot of time in a mountain hunting environment and it absolutely freaking does what it's meant to do on the tin. But then if I was going to Scotland and I was doing deer management, there's probably other things that are better out there than that for doing that particular job. And I'm not greedy, I don't want to conquer the world, I want people to understand the products and understand what we're about, and I always say to people now I say, if I know what your sickness is, I can probably provide the right medicine, but if you give me the wrong diagnosis, if you give me the wrong sickness, I could screw you up and you could end up going out with the wrong horse from my stable.
Speaker 1:So our challenge now is to educate people on what we're offering and what we're doing, because there's now six bipods in our stable. When we last spoke, there was one and so it's you've got to consider our products almost like athletes. If you know you're in a long distance, high altitude runner, that javelin's for you. If you're going to be, if you're james nash, taking your buddy out to fire your 50 cow, I've got another tool for you. James, I need to send you up for next time. But and everything in between. So understanding that is really crucial for the listeners.
Speaker 1:Um, and I think we're getting a lot better at it. Um, I think people are asking the right questions and you've touched on something else that I think is very important. It's I don't take a great. It's not me that invents these products. I am simply the glue pot, because I talk to people like you. I talk to other people. I took two lights or willow mirror, people in the SF units and such like. So what do you need from a system? And I listen, because I'm not arrogant about these things. I listen to people that got infinite more knowledge of me and then I try and compose that and build that product for them. And that's where I think Spartan is really moving the needle.
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Speaker 2:And I can give you another example of that and you know I haven't talked with you about this, but you know I think we ran into each other to show two or three years ago and we're talking about it and you know I was. I was coming around at that stage and I was like, yeah, this is what I like loved was I was taking these rifles and I was putting them inside my pack or on the edge of my pack and strapping them in, and I really loved that I didn't have this trident on the end of my gun that was snagging on a bunch of stuff like I need a bipod 0.001 percent of the time that I'm actually carrying that gun around. The rest of the time I don't need it to be there and I really don't want it to be there. So I was like I really appreciate that this system is slick and it slicks up my rifle, but it's still protruding out a little bit and I wish that that wasn't the case. And then this spring I was setting up a rifle to go on a on a spring bear hunt and I I was out of adapters. So I went to your website and I was looking for adapters and I was like, wait, what is this? And it was the gunsmith mouth, right, I was like this is what I was talking about. I just didn't have like the correct words to explain it, so you'd you'd heard that from me, you'd heard it from other people, you'd thought about it yourself. So I went over to my drill press and I went zinc, and you to my drill press and I went zinc and you know, after watching a quick youtube video with you, I I took my little forstner bit and I hogged my rifle stock out and I glued that thing in there and now it is slick and pretty and it's inset into the stock and I love it. I love it so much. It's so pretty and sleek. Um, and now it's like this this is at the stage where there's just not anything else that I want from that bipod. I want to talk about why I think this is important for just a second of focus on coming out with new calibers that do something slightly different from everything else that exists. There's a lot of focus on primers, on powders, and you'll see, if you go to the 300 caliber long action line, you'll see half a dozen offerings that are mainstays right now that all do something incredibly similar.
Speaker 2:One of the great problems in shooting is not whether I can move a 200-grain bullet 3,150 feet per second, or 3,230 feet per second it's.
Speaker 2:Can I hold the gun still enough to hit what I'm trying to hit? And stability is one of the greatest problems to be solved out there, and the gun manufacturers have completely forsaken it. They've completely forsaken it and they tried to get guns that shoot from one MOA down to three quarters MOA, down to half MOA, and that's fine until you get somebody in the field, and then they are lucky if they can hold three or four inches on the target. So stability makes so much difference in the real world out there where I live, whereas on the range, when you start getting into data sheets and stuff like that, then you can start picking on you know a single foot per second here or there, but out there in the wild, where it matters, you have to be able to hold the gun still, and our muscles and our bones are not good enough to do it. They're just not. We need help, and you're the one who's actually stepping up to provide that help in a meaningful way.
Speaker 1:Well, james, I'm so in your camp on this. I have lots of conversations. I'm not a caliber person, I'm not a caliber expert. I know my limited limits and I think there's plenty of good calibers out there that fundamentally all do the same job. I'll speak to somebody like you, or Joseph von Benedict or Ryan, and say what's the best caliber out there to do this? I've got this job because you have more knowledge than me on that. But what I do say to people is this people go and spend thousands of dollars on their rifle and their optic right and then they start cutting corners on the support system and I'm saying, guys, you can go and spend five, and I've seen people I've been with people with $500 Ruger rifles, mossberg rifles. They'll all do the job. Now you and I know that right, but spend the money where it's important. If you want that dead elk dead and I strongly imagine you do or that goat or that sheep or whatever you're after, make sure you do your homework and get yourself a system that's going to take that soft body tissue as much as he's able out of the equation. Yeah, it's, it's so important.
Speaker 1:Um, and the gunsmith adapter that you referred to and you asked me about. Eight years ago when we started life in germany, I was told we'd never sell a bipod in germany. Now pretty much all of the European my rifle make brands and it's not huge market in Europe because we don't have the public land so we don't have a lot of people hunting. Compared to the states I was at that comparison. They're all fitting gunsmith adapters. So if you go to and I take that as a huge reward that people are waking up to this system, that this is a Spartan is now providing answers. You know it's not ubiquitous yet but it's becoming more of a an industry standard and I believe that is starting to happen in the USA now as well. You've got people like Taurus. They've just come out with a hunting rifle that's sub a thousand bucks. Guess what? It's got a gunsmith adapter in watch Weatherby. Watch what they're doing something very exciting there as well, which I'm hugely excited about, and there's other brands that are offering these systems. So that gunsmith adapter is becoming um a fundamental piece of equipment and it's not just about where I'm getting really excited.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry this is a long. I'm coming around in a big circle here, james, but you and your listeners will, I think be interested in this. Up until now it's been a javelin and a tripod right mountain hunter. You spend a lot of time in the mountains, so you completely get this. We haven't had answers necessarily for the sub alpine hunter. So now, mr g and the team, we're coming down that mountain right and we are absolutely offering a host of different options that will go into that gunsmith adapter right to provide you stability whether you're going to africa to hunt, whether you're hunting in germany, whether you're hunting the flatland. So you'll see this coming in the next few weeks. We've been working really, really hard on four new key products and I do wish you'd contact me, james, because I'm very honored that you actually buy stuff off the website and you never ask for anything but crikey, you test this stuff and you talk about it, you write about it. Do reach out to me because I'll be more than happy to get you stuff in the future.
Speaker 2:But it shows what a good guy you are um, well, yeah, let me let me speak to that for a second. Um, I did. I did a podcast recently with a young couple who lives here in eastern Oregon. It was a great show and we we did it in their house. They love each each other. They're hunting together, they're supporting each other. You know, she's got a tough job, he's got a tough job. They didn't have a chair in their house and those are the people who I have the most love for right. They're working so hard just to be able to have the opportunity to take time off to go hunting.
Speaker 2:And you know, for those folks to spend their money on the stuff that I talk about, I want to make sure that they're getting the absolute most for their dollar and that what they spend on is not going to break and that it's going to go as far as possible and then it's going to get the job done for them and that it's not going to fail for them. You know I that that's who I care about, and if I'm not going to step up and and spend my own money that I work extremely hard for on this stuff, then who am I to even talk about it? You know, and you're my friend, like I want to support you. I want to. I want your business to succeed and you know the reality of what makes businesses work is people buying the stuff. So that's that's who and what I want to be to you and that's that's how I want to be honest with the people that I'm around as well.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm privileged, I feel really privileged that you do that and it's and it means a lot to me. It's a huge amount, cause you know you only need to pick the phone up but you choose not to and you buy that stuff. And when we did our first podcast together, you had everything, spartan, you tried the lot. You knew as much about the products as I did, and that's you know. We the products as I did, and that's you know. We invested time together and there was development that came from that conversation and you see it now. So we do both listen and, uh, I think, yeah, it keeps people honest.
Speaker 1:Um, and, as you said to me, I'm not a greedy person. I don't make, I don't make holsters, I don't make clothing, I don't do other stuff because there's other good companies, great companies, out there doing all those wonderful things and I get so many people knocking on the door. So you should get into this, you should get into this, you should do this. And I said, no, I shouldn't. I don't have the time to do the stuff I want to do, and if I get this market right and that's the key, you, what you see at the end of the day is the finished product, and I'm the most critical self. I'm super self-critical about things. If it isn't right, it doesn't get to market.
Speaker 1:The hideous errors I go through to make the products where they are is I could show you all sorts of products that have never made it to market. You think, my god, what was going through Gearing's head? But that's how you get it right, isn't it? And then I can pick up the phone and speak to people like you and say, well, what do you think? And we're going to finish this podcast on exactly that this little product here. I need your wisdom on this because you are infinitely more capable about this stuff than I am. But we'll save that to the end. But don't let me forget, james, because I need your input on this product. Sounds good. I could be mad. I probably am.
Speaker 2:So another thing that I need to bring up is you told me and this is again several years ago that I needed to start thinking about quad sticks, and I was like man, that is too much going on for what I'm doing, and I recently got my hands on some. And I was like man, that is too much going on for what I'm doing, and I recently got my hands on some, and I was wrong. I was a hundred percent wrong. This is one of the most interesting ways to support a rifle from the standing position that I've ever encountered, and especially at lightweight and quick and stable, and I just I feel like an idiot that I didn't listen to you sooner. So I want you to talk about quads a little bit.
Speaker 1:So quads have been out in Europe, I'm going to say between 15 and 20 years. Right, Everybody used to use sticks garden sticks, tripods, make their own systems up. And then these quad sticks started appearing on the market and, like you, I wasn't convinced at the first off. It took me a few years to wake up to that and then I thought, hmm, there's merit in these things. I wouldn't take them to the mountains. I think it's a subalpine tool. It's absolutely. If you're going to Africa, do not go to Africa without a quad stick, and it doesn't have to be ours but then I start.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I couldn't agree more like I, I, I think back to my time in africa and if I would have had that tool, then how it would have changed my experience. It's just it, it's, it's beyond imagine, yeah, 100 yeah.
Speaker 1:So I've been working on quads for the last five, six years and this gets back to the hideous errors and I was coming up with these beautifully carbon, beautifully manufactured, really nice products, but did they do any more than the quads out on the market? I have to be honest with myself. No, they didn't. They were just the same product, just with a bit more finesse, and I thought this is not my bag. If I can't push this into a new, if I can't move the needle, I don't want to get involved. So I put them to bed.
Speaker 1:And then two years ago well, a year and a half ago I was up in thectic with a very good friend of mine called flintroff, who's a marvelous man, wrote the swedish hunting manual. You, you and I need to go hunt caper calu within one day, james, because he is an authority in that and we both spent a week freezing our nuts off up in the high arctic right minus 36 degrees centigrade, about the same in fahrenheit. I frost damaged and I it got a bit ugly right and we didn't find a single bird. We did not see a single bird in five freaking days. We just run into a few moose. It was just too cold and even the cape cali start to live in snow holes at that temperature. So he'd been on at me. He has a contract with the swed Swedish government to remove red foxes where they're encroaching on silver foxes because they're bigger, stronger and they out-compete. So he'll go up there at a very cold time of year and shoot these silver foxes. And he's also a very he's an authority on predator management and for years he'd been at me saying I want a bipod that I can shoot from prone to seated and I want flexible legs. I want to be able to move this thing really quickly. I mean really quickly, because I don't get time on these gearing. I need it right and I sort of tried these things again. More hideous we could. We're talking about hideous areas here, a lot of these podcasts. I made these little leg units that I could adjust the legs. It just never worked anyway. We called it a day on the hunting phone because the rifle broke. Everything was crapping out. We, we rolled a snowmobile. It was just dangerous.
Speaker 1:So we got back to his cabin and I said okay, let's, let's spend some time now we you and I put our brains together and let's make this product. So we worked really hard on it and we came out with these silicon and rubber bodies. We made 12 different versions and then I sent them to him. When I got them right for him to test, rubber was an abstract failure because it gets too cold, it splits, it gets to, it just behaves different, temperature sensitive, so that killed the rubber ones off. We then worked on the silicon ones and we had four or five different silicon compounds. He went up there and he basically said this is a sweet spot.
Speaker 1:So we made this bipod called the springbok and it's the most simple product that we've ever made. And the minute we told people started telling people about it. This thing has been a hot seller and I didn't think it would, because I didn't think people would really understand it. But that little Springbok and I'm going to get back to quads on this, so, james, don't let me forget. So we and this is how using good people's minds this is why I'm this this was not my invention.
Speaker 1:I simply glued basically together what this guy was wanting and we smashed it out the park and that little gem we call them the chopsticks of death, and that wasn't my name, that was a scottish professional deer stalker said fuck gearing. He said this thing I'm knocking over so many deer because I can get over the heather and on your side the pond, you'd be getting over the sage. It's quick, it's fast. It's not a precision tool. It's not going to give you the precision some of the other products that we can talk about today. It's a quick and dirty get the job done tool. But we don't have time, do we right? We often have to move and do things quickly. We shot 100 goats in two days off.
Speaker 1:That system in new zealand now off is an infinitely better shot and infinitely more technically apt than I am. So he did most of the shooting and I'm not saying they all went to valhalla straight away, but they certainly all died. We did a good job because they were everywhere and even the guys in New Zealand said we smashed it out of the park on that. Would we have got 100 goats without that system? Absolutely not. We might have got 30 because it just enabled you to move and keep going and going and going and I think all shot seven goats in one swoop. Started at going and going and going. I think all shot seven goats in one one swoop. Started at 200 meters. I was out to 730 at the end I'm not don't quote me on it, but it was a long way and he was able to do an epic, epic talk. Well, sorry to bore your listeners, but there is meaning and what I'm doing here.
Speaker 1:When we were playing with this bipod, doing the test in the UK, another very good friend of mine, noah Lemaire, who I've sort of pretty much grown up with, said hang a minute, kevin. He said why don't we stick a couple of these silicon bodies on the ground, make another bipod on the back and turn it into a little quad system? And I went and that wasn't my idea, can't take any credit. So right up until now, james, this whole product is just good. People coming up with brilliant ideas and me being able to assemble them and put those ideas together and we turn this quad system into it is a game changer. Right, we have made me just gluing the bits together.
Speaker 1:The people, the team I've worked with, have created an amazing product that springbok, if you use your gunsmith adapter that you're referring to earlier, because you don't need to be married to the spartan system. It comes with two cradles but it makes so much more sense with the gunsmith adapter in it because you can work the whole system from the back. I can do everything from prone and you'll completely relate to what I'm about to say. I can do everything from prone, kneeling, standing, just by moving the system. There's no mechanical linkages or movement here. This is all composite bodies moving and it almost, it's almost like it's got its own life to it and I'm not exaggerating. You get behind this. This thing is amazing. I'm really proud of the team that put it together. I've just I was just a glooper pot, but, moreover, if you're in africa and you're doing dangerous ground you know buffalo or whatever and you really want to move quick, you can literally remove the back legs, push them forward and treat it like a giant bipod. So it's such a flexible, amazing tool.
Speaker 1:And I say to people in the states you haven't really woken up to quads yet. You will if we have this podcast in 10 years or 15 years and if I'm still on the planet and alive, we'd be laughing about this because they'd be everywhere. And that quad system was the first time I said right, I'm ready to push this now because we've now just moved the needles on quads. You know, before we'd made these beautiful luxury items, but we weren't doing anything different to all the other quad systems out there. Well, now we are, and that the Springbok quad and the Springbok bipod I think will be hugely successful for us in North America when people learn about them and understand about them.
Speaker 1:They are just different tools, but somebody like you, somebody like me, will completely get it and you'll understand the application and the time you need it. Will you take it on spring bear hunt? No, you won't. You're going to take something else we're going to talk about or you're going to use your javelin bipod. So, getting back to the medicine, there's so many different tablets I can now give you, but they all run off that gunsmith adapter. That's the thing. That is the hunting family. So now you've got that hole in the front of your stock. I could give you six different items to run off that and they've all got their place. Every one of those items will do the job effectively, but you're not going to get your shop putter to run a marathon. You're not going to get your marathon runner to push 200 pounds. So you've got to pick the product that best serves your needs.
Speaker 1:And I bang on about this all the time. I'm absolutely passionate about. I get people. I still phone them up if I get chance and I do it a lot and they really pleased to hear from me and I say, what do you do that? Well, I need this, I need. No, you don't. If you're getting that bit, you don't need to buy that one. It it does 90 percent of what you need. So pick what you need. Yeah, I want your money, but I don't want to take your money because you're just sort of dressing the. You're filling your wardrobe with clothes you're never going to use, right? Yeah, if that's your application, go and get that. If you're a predator hunter, get the spring book right, don't buy the javelin right.
Speaker 1:You know you could do with both and there might be the odd occasion where you go gearing. I wish you'd not told me that. But no, if you're a predator hunter, save some dollar. Buy the spring block, because it will do the job. It'll get you over the sage. If you're after speed goats, right, use the spring mock. It's a fantastic tool.
Speaker 1:So communicating that with the audience and making sure they best understand what we're all about is really my sort of driver. Now and then. What happened a few years ago? We had this conversation before the seals caught me on the west coast, remember, and they said we like your products. They started buying javelins off us. I said it's a hunting tool and they said well, we hunt people. I thought fair enough, and I work with them and a lot of your other you.
Speaker 1:We're only working with little units around the world because we're not big enough to work with regular army units. But again, it's a different auspice, it's a different sort of dynamic still hunting, but their needs are slightly different. So we have now set up spark precision equipment's very much about the outdoor adventure hunting platform and you'll be seeing stuff for the bow industry. You'll be seeing stuff for the fly fishing industry, all modular, all you can use your bow bits on your rifle and vice versa. We can talk about that to some extent as well. But the defense product line we've set up Spartan operations for that and it's a different mechanism that we've used because their applications and needs are somewhat different. Now those products that we now do looking after the defense industry on will migrate through to long-range hunting, to nrl, competition shooters, to target shooters. So there's definitely an application. We're so small at the moment we can't serve that market because we're just busy supplying the guys like you that needed it when you were in the army and I want to focus on that. I'm sorry if somebody wants it on the Ukraine frontline now they're going to come before somebody that's not serving. So I'm looking after little units, poles, such like SF units, and we're supplying lots of gear to them and it's really exciting for me and they're fascinating people and spending time with those guys, listening and learning about what they need, is really, really important for me and I get a lot of satisfaction out that. And I listen.
Speaker 1:I started this, as I say, this trip in the States with a guy called Dave White. It runs one of your federal ranges will. Apparently is only three federal ranges where all your federal agents have to go through to pass out. Don't quote me on that, but I think that's the details. Dave white runs one of those ranges. What a lovely, wonderful human being he is, um, and so I showed him the products. He got excited about it. You know he could see all these applications. We had agents shooting off vehicles with a rubber sucker unit with a little davros head on, then run into a tripod. I was taking legs off tripods. We'd run two short legs, one long leg. He said this is lego, this is a macan, this is an ecosystem shooting support stuff in a little bag that will provide so many answers, and so it's great to get that kind of feedback. We don't keep everybody happy. There's always one, but I tell you what for a little company. We're pressing some buttons and we're moving that needle.
Speaker 1:And then last year at shot show, another wonderful human being by the name of chad pierce who works for barrett he's their head firearms instructor came to me and said I've got this idea, rob, and I said well, why are you coming to me with it? He said because I trust you. And I said well, you might not trust me you don't know me well enough anyway and he showed me this idea and, to be honest, at first I was thinking I'm not sure, but maybe it's got legs. Excuse the pun, god, that thing is just what that guy's come out. He spent a lot of time, like you, in the Middle East shooting. You know bad people for a living and what that guy's come up with is a unbelievable product. So I said get your IP sorted, get your paints. I linked him in with our paint people.
Speaker 1:So we got that all sorted to get it protected and so we called this the spartan cp rail after chad pierce and it will go on pretty much anybody's tripod and it will be out in a I'm hoping, by shot show. I'd like to get it out before because it made so. Sorry to harp on like a stupid old man, but I've been shooting a mile today with two guys that have done almost no shooting and you're completely get this, james, right. We put seated not prone seated on their backsides and they're hitting plate a mile. Wow, off this system, right. I was working with your Delta force guys a few weeks ago and the guy turned around and said I'm watching these bullets track in 1,200 yards Doof, doof, doof.
Speaker 1:So at that kind of level, if people think we're on the right page, I'll take that as a big win. And again, I didn't create that product, james. I listened to people that know and built it. And I think I'll culminate this by saying there's a huge amount of arrogance in big industry, right, and there's a huge amount of arrogance in big industry, right, and there's a huge amount of we don't care, we don't need to worry about that, we don't need to do anything. And then there's companies big companies and small companies that have got this energy and this, you know, inertia. They want to win and they want to do things right, and that's who I want to work with. And then people say, well, there's lots of other good bipod companies out there now and they probably could. I said great, it's getting better, it means more things will die better, right? Look, there's great companies in new zealand and around the world that make fantastic bipods too.
Speaker 1:I'm not here to say slate their other products. People say, oh, you must take the habits. I said no, that guy was a genius, right, and he worked with the materials that he had available to him at that time and he smashed it out the park, right. I'd like to be remembered as mr harris in 30, 40, 50 years ago, but I it's a great product right and on the range and you know and I won't know, it will do a fantastic job. I would say spartan is more specialist right and if you're starting to go down a particular channel, then spartan has a place for everybody. But you've got to know your game to better understand the products. But yeah, is that, does that make sense?
Speaker 2:yeah, totally. And and I've got harris bipods too. I grew up with them. I remember uh, you know my. I got my first one when I was 14 years old. I had to save up like crazy to do it. I was guiding backcountry trips at the time and I I'm pretty sure that I still have it, but it's sitting on a shelf it's not my range bag, which is where my spartan javelin bipods are but just to get back real quick before we we move off of it to the quad sticks. That's what I'm going to be guiding with this year.
Speaker 2:So I've got these two sides of my life now. Right, I've got the one side of my life where I'm shooting and I'm trying to to make a good shot so that I can, you know, get my meat for the year, because that is, even though I'm a cattle rancher, what, what I actually eat, is wild game. Right, I eat plenty of beef throughout the year, but what my freezers full of is wild game me. And I want to, you know, shoot the right animal that's going to give me the best yield and the best quality, and I want it to die as quickly as possible, because I love that animal and I care about its life and I don't want it to have a moment of suffering that's been caused by me. That is in addition to what's necessary for me to end that animal's life and turn it into meat. So on the other side of the house I have people who I'm guiding, who might have physical disabilities. They might have zero experience, right. They might be very disabilities. They might have zero experience, right. They might be very experienced. They might be just hard as nails pipe hitting military folks who maybe haven't done this type of shooting before. So I need to have my guide kit be a system that can make sure that all of those people can make that shot and have the same result that I'm trying to achieve for myself.
Speaker 2:And what I'm going to be carrying this year is quad sticks in order to do it, because I've never experienced something that's as fast and as solid as this. It's. It's absolutely amazing, and I planted a garden for the first time this year. I've been working on my garden extremely hard. I'm out there for like an hour every morning and when I see starlings european starlings show up, it's like no, not happening.
Speaker 2:And I am head shooting starlings with a 22 every time that I try to do it at 82 yards and I'm doing it fast, I'm doing it off quad sticks and it's just blowing my mind that that this is capable so for for everybody listening, that's like what are these guys even talking about? Just, you're just gonna have to look it up and believe me when I say this is the most stable that you can be on your feet in a hunting situation. It just is. You've, you've gotta, you've gotta trust me on this. It is absolutely unbelievable what happens when you remove some of these axes of movement, when you remove those, and all that gun can do is rock forward and back, and then you set your feet right and it doesn't do that anymore. It's like this is like prone, but I'm on my feet and it didn't take very long to get here. This is amazing.
Speaker 1:I'm saving like five seconds on setup right, which could be the difference, and it often will be the difference yeah yeah, yeah, no, you and me both big fans and they've got their place and they will definitely help a lot of people. And, as I said earlier on, you didn't see them in Europe 20 years ago. 15 years ago, they started coming in. Now everybody sub-alpine is using quads, all the professional hunters. We don't have a lot of hunters in the UK, but a lot of them are professional hunters, so they do a lot of deer management. Nearly all of them will use quads now, yeah, it's coming, it's going to happen and we're talking about it on this podcast, james, it's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Good. What else is new in the world?
Speaker 1:Well, I've made a new. I'll talk you through a few of the new defense products that will migrate and filter through to the tactical shooters and such like. Here's a little baby that I'm really proud of. So this was divine, developed for the middle um sort of the military guys, because you store the legs backwards if you're doing rementaries or jumping out helicopters. You don't want things pointing forwards getting stuck on it and basically this little bipod is like. I said it on a instagram thing recently. I said it's like an atlas or harris has mated with a javelin and produced a beautiful baby.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not. It's not as light as the javelin. Would I use this in preference to a javelin for mountain hunting? No, I wouldn't. Will we offer this option for a hunting rifle with an adapter? No, you're going to have to have an m lock or pick a tinny. But that little adapter that I'm putting on there, basically it physically locks in. It's that quick. It's not as quick as the Magna switch system, but it's still pretty fast. But you can deploy the legs quick from the back and then you've got 45 degrees from the, from the front.
Speaker 1:It shares a lot of DNA with the javelin. You'll look at these legs they're javelin bipod legs Shares a lot of DNA with the Javelin. You'll look at these legs they're Javelin bipod legs. So it's the same family. So all of the modules and I refer to them not as tripods or as bipods, now they're modules they've all got the same thread so I can put the heavy-duty legs on this. It's a cool little product. This is called the Vida bipod, right, and it's going to launch in the next few weeks and the civil might already be out next week, because I don't know. But that's what we've been working with the defense guys for. It's sig daniel defense, those kind of rifles, chassis rifles, mdts. Then this has a place for sure, and it's a cool little tool. What I'm really excited to show you, because you'll completely get this is this little fella. So that little guy.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute here for for folks, because folks can't see this right now.
Speaker 1:What I'm looking at looks like a javelin bipod, but it's a tripod it's a tripod, right, a mini little tripod that weighs just over a pound right, and basically I'm going to show you something else, right, that is its big brother. So, this tripod, we were asked by a European sniper unit to design a tripod because we didn't have anything for .50 cal, although you shot your javelin off it.
Speaker 1:We turned up and we were completely outgunned and the driver was we want a tripod designed for shooting off first and foremost, as opposed to a camera tripod modified. And they said this tripod will carry a 22 kilo rifle. With all the bits and pieces it's a 50 cal and it's got to last 5,000 shots. After 5,000 rounds we'll consider it's done its life. Well, the guys are now up to 17 000 rounds on that first tripod and I thought so coughing rub and I, over a bottle of bordeaux right in a restaurant, sat and drew this up and we said well, what do we want? So I'm trying to get.
Speaker 1:I'm going to best try and describe this to your listeners, but I thought the problem with tripods is all the real estate is on top of the legs. It means your centre mass is way high and it's too far away from the legs. So what we did? We put the control module in the body of the tripod, gotcha. So I am now showing James a ball, right, that's probably about inch and a half, and that ball lives in the tripod body, like that, meaning I can lock that ball down. And I mean I can really lock that ball down, meaning I don't have anything here. So when I open these legs, james, and you'll completely get what I'm talking about here.
Speaker 2:Look at the profile of that yeah, no, that that's a very clever system, especially for people that are going to be shooting heavy rifles that they need to hold steady so I'm thinking exactly the same to you.
Speaker 1:Very clever system for people shooting heavy rifles and need to hold head steady. I was so blown away with this product I thought I want that, yeah, but I'm not going to be carrying, you know, a big heavy duty tripod that will take over 200 pounds, by the way, not 30, 40, 50, um. I don't want to carry that into the field, so, but I do need the product. So I made the little brother. So this is exactly the same, and what I'm showing James now is a tiny version. Tiny little module pops in right and now look at this. Nice, this is the hop light. This has the Hoplite. This has just come out. It is an incredible little product. If I had to pick one thing, if I'm a mountain hunter because we could talk about quad six again but if I'm going up to the mountains, I'm not leaving home without this.
Speaker 2:Now I might actually say how much is that?
Speaker 1:wall Sorry. How much is that wall Sorry?
Speaker 2:How much does it weigh?
Speaker 1:It's about a pound and a quarter, something like that. It's really stupidly light, but I can also do things like this. Right, I can put a leg in, so a downhill shot oh yeah, there's so much you can do with this little guy and obviously with our optics adapter, I can run all my spotting scope on it as well and I get a lot of control. Even though that ball is tiny, it's a huge amount of control it gives me, and I can unscrew these legs and put the trekking pole legs in. So if I want a full blown tripod, I can run my trekking poles in this system as well. So it retains all of the lego, the meccano, the modularity of what spartan's about runs off your little gunsmith adapter. And so I did um, the outdoor sportsman's group round table event a couple of days ago, and I started people shooting off the javelin, then got them on this and they're all going. Wow, you know, it was great to see people at that caliber, all smiles, seeing what we're doing and going. You guys are really pushing some buttons. Now. So, getting back to your facts about providing answers in different environments, we've got a lot more answers than we once did.
Speaker 1:But if I'm going to buy a hoplite. Do I need a javelin? No, you don't right, because this will do everything the javelin does and some but the javelin. Will I take the javelin, sometimes take javelin, sometimes take the hoplite. Understand, and this is the challenge, because so many people spend 10 months of the year dreaming about their hunt. They don't get enough field time, like you and I will. So you know I'm really lucky.
Speaker 1:I'm blessed to get the chops you you know I'm in Tajikistan, next year's Mongolia, the year before New Zealand. I'll be back in use. I'm in there and I'm living it and breathing it. I'm having a wonderful time and I'm an old man so I want to do that while my knees and hips still work. So having the right tools for me is what drives me, and if they're right for me, they're to be right for the majority of other people as well, because everything I carry, if I'm a mountain hunter, it's in my back. I don't want to carry a lot of unnecessary weight, but what you can do with that little tool, it's freaking awesome.
Speaker 2:Well, at this point, rob, you've hunted in more countries than I've been in, so let me ask you this question If there was a strange circumstance and I said this is the situation, you get to go on one more hunt and that's it, you're done. You can let it be any hunt that you want. You can bring anybody that you want to bring with you. Where are you going?
Speaker 1:That's a cruel question, james, but it's a good one. I've got two answers to it. Right, there's places I haven't hunted that I'd love to hunt. So can I have two questions? Can I have two answers to that? So I'm going to say the first is where have I been that I absolutely love? Well, the answer is all of them, because they are just all fantastic experiences.
Speaker 1:I'm very people engaged. I like dealing with the local people. That really excites me, like in Mongolia last year, when you're watching the locals cook a marmot in the middle of the Gobi Desert, pressure cooking it basically six holes. You love your cooking and the way you process your meat. You'd have been blown away by this, james. I mean, they put hot stones in the marmot, stitched it up six holes and pressure cooked this thing inflated. It's the most disgusting meat. I'm going to say that I've ever eaten, and I've eaten everything from buffalo testicles to ibex testicles. I've eaten everything from buffalo testicles to Ibex testicles. I've done everything, this thing. If you offer me marmot again, no, thank you. I've done it once and apparently it can carry the bubonic plague and I didn't know that at the time either. But why you'd ever want to eat it, god only knows.
Speaker 1:Answering your question I love New Zealand, I love Argentina, both of those are fantastic, but I think I go back to Tajikistan. Zealand, I love argentina, both of those are fantastic, but I think I think some of the I think I go back to tajikistan. That was just an epic adventure, um, and it's also and you'll you'll agree with what I'm about to say it's the people that make the adventure, isn't it? You know it's. It's the people, the mentality of how people cope with the pressures, because we've all got our weaknesses and we've all got our strengths and you build a little commute. I like hunting in small groups because you very under quickly understand what each individual will bring, so that what their strengths are, what their weaknesses are, I've got plenty of weaknesses. So if I can surround myself and fill those weaknesses in with good people and I can help them in other ways, that that's that's really marvelous, I think.
Speaker 1:The second question, the second answer, would be I'd love to go and hunt in Pakistan or the Himalaya, right, I need to do that while my knees and hips still work. I might not get out there for a few years, but I'd love to do that. And Amy, my good friend that runs Brownlee Rock Canyon. I need to go and hunt a buffalo with her in Tanzania, but that's too expensive for me right now, but maybe it's the business grows. I said we need to go and do that because I'd love to go and hunt with Amy and do that. That'd be cool. So I've actually picked three. It's very naughty of me but sorry. Too much places on the planet that I want to go and see, but they're all great. They are what you make of them.
Speaker 1:And I think the word of advice I'd give to people that are thinking about going to places like Asia and hunting we were having I was having this conversation with Amy yesterday. It's all about patience. Put you, take your mind out, stick in a box, right, because everything's going to slow down. There's going to be ugly situations it always is. There's going to be horrible little events, but the good bits will outweigh the bad bits in most cases. But you've got to ride the waves, you've got to be mentally prepared to do that.
Speaker 1:Um, and I'm taking two americans to tajikistan next year uh brett, who runs taurus, because we want to run that rifle down there and I'm really excited about that. And also Brian Aitken that's done this. We are toppled thing, and I'm a big fan of what he's doing because he's actually set up a marketing arm that isn't policed, like Google and Instagram and all these other things. He's actually saying no, no, if somebody wants to promote a rifle or cigars or whatever they want to do, you should be able to do it, and I'm really, as an old man, I get very frustrated with these restrictions that are forced upon us, that are taking away our freedoms and rights. Who are these people that give them? Think that they can decide? Mr Gearing shouldn't be hunting elk, or we shouldn't be doing that, or we shouldn't be managing.
Speaker 1:Understand the whole story before you start judging. You know, really understand the story. Read a bit, read into things before you actually form a conclusion. I made this mistake the other day. I read about I think it might be Oregon. Actually you'll know more about it than me they're giving a ticket to shoot 500 owls.
Speaker 1:Don't quote me on it, but I thought why would anybody want to shoot an owl? And my missus magalie, my partner, she's got a little owl. So I'm quite partial to owls and I used to. I thought why would anybody want? And then I dug a bit deeper and actually it's an invasive, it's an owl that's moving into a new area and it's decimating the local owls because it's bigger and stronger. So I thought, oh right, okay, now I understand. So I even have to check myself sometimes because I think, oh, anyway, read you. You really do your homework and that's why I like you. You know you don't enter into a debate without doing your homework and I'm not as detailed as you about things, so I can form sometimes brash opinions, but I like detailed people because I'm probably not one. I'm detailed nerdy about products, but I'm not a detailed nerdy person and I yeah, I'm probably a bit of a misfit like that. But anyway, I have a, I have a fun journey and I get to do all these great adventures with these wonderful people.
Speaker 2:Don't ever feel sorry for me, james, it's a good journey one of the questions that I ask myself sometimes is uh, what would have to be true for me to believe the opposite of what I do now?
Speaker 2:And I think it's important to to think about things in their opposites sometimes and it can be a huge challenge because not everything is binary. But if you, if you can consider that and you can even understand, like, what is the opposite of what I believe now, like you're already ahead, you already understand your own position better, and then if you think, well, what would have to be true for me to believe the opposite? And then is that thing true, yes or no? Then you can really solidify your position and you'll have considered it from a brand new perspective. That makes you that much more articulate and intelligent when you do go to talk about it. And you have to be willing to be wrong and understand that being wrong and realizing it is an uncomfortable feeling, but the far side of that is a really great place to be and you learn from it, don't you?
Speaker 1:We all learn from it, if you come in accepting that. I learned that from my missus, because I was probably a little bit too headstrong in younger years and she used to say to me, gearing. She said, they're not in your head and you're not in theirs. Try and get into other people's heads and look at it from their perspective, because then you can construct an argument so much better. So I don't say I do it well, but I try and put myself in other people's heads and I think what's driving them to make them consider that and like you. Yeah, I've learned a lot from that, actually, and I think it's made me not brilliant, but it's maybe a better person. It's maybe a more tolerant person.
Speaker 1:I'm not tolerant and there's a lot of things that do trigger me. It's normally politics and politicians and extremism. Don't care whether you're extreme, left or right or whatever. Just I don't like it, right, because 90% of the population just wanna live well, they don't wanna tread on people's toes and they want to do the right things. And then we get fed all this crap, right, and people believe it, and you think, ah, and I believe stuff. So I look at it and think, oh. And my son will say, well, dad, don't believe that's just rubbish. And I said, well, why would somebody go to that effort to post that?
Speaker 1:If it's said cause that's how some people are wired, I just can't understand why anybody would. It's like dropping crap out your car. You know why does. Why do people get a maccy d's or a coffee because? And then chuck their cups out the car and leave it for somebody else to pick up. And it's not so bad in the states. It's certainly not like that in mainland europe, but in the uk now I live in a nice part of the UK, but even now you just see all this. Why are people wired like that? Why can't they just take the stuff home? It just triggers me. So it's a stupid little thing and it's completely off track with our podcast. It's just something that just bugs me.
Speaker 2:Well, we all have those and we need to do our best. We need to hold other people to a standard and try to be as understanding as possible. Okay, I can. I need to put a bow on this. So if people are are interested in not missing, and whether that is in a defense scenario or on the range, or when they're going out to go on a hunt, whether it's locally or abroad, and whether it's something that they're going to do every year or once in a lifetime, and they're interested in not missing and that they would like to not miss because their rifle is steady, where can they go to find the support systems that you are making?
Speaker 1:Well, there's a lot of good stores that are now stocking Spartan and there's going to be more. So we've contracted a company called Blackstone Marketing. It's 28, 29 guys and their driver is to get our products into bricks and mortar stores. Because I'm a big fan in people coming to pick up, touch and feel before they buy. It makes so much sense and I'm a big fan in people that know about the product, understand it, being able to explain and better talk. Because best will in the world. We're a small little army. We can't do everything. So blackstone marketing are going to be getting into bricks and mortar stores.
Speaker 1:A guy north of you, very nice guy, I think, probably a mutual, jason harris g4 archery. He's using a lot of our stuff and more G4 Archery-like stores. Another one Black Ovis. They stock it. There's a company called Happy Antelope on Amazon that sell it, but again, you can't pick it up and touch it, so I'd rather you go and play with it before you buy. But he's very good and he has all the gear. Amy at Branded Rock Canyon stock it.
Speaker 1:But there's more and more and that's very exciting. And now we've set up US Fulfillment so you can buy it off our website as well and it's going to get shipped to you from the US, which is great because that's a game changer and you're not exposed to all you know the shipping costs that you would have once been exposed to. But I'd still encourage you to go and support your local stores, because if we don't support the local stores right, they won't be around in 20 years time. So, yeah, you can buy it from me and I'll make a bit more money, but think about your local store and think about what that provides and go and if they don't stop the spartan equipment, ask them to. You know we, if it's a good shop, I will. I want to get our stuff in good stores. We're not in the big mega stores, and will we ever be? I'd like to think. Maybe with this, with the springbok family, we could definitely be there. That could be a sweet spot.
Speaker 2:But a lot of these products are complex and difficult to understand and you need knowledge to be able to explain what they do well, be careful with some of the big box stores, because you know, what happens a lot of times is they'll bring a product in like yours and they'll basically use it as a test. Yeah, if it sells well, then they'll knock it off and then you know their own label. We don't want that to happen. But I agree, if you can find it locally, find it locally. If you can't find it off the internet, you know and and that's that. So, rob, thank you very much for your time. I I'm sorry that we didn't get more time to speak at the shows last year. I'm going to do a better job of that this year and I hope that you have a great end of your large journey here in America and look forward to seeing you in person, hopefully this winter.
Speaker 2:Okay, thank you, sir. I really loved it. Thank you. I just want to take a second and thank everyone who's written a review, who has sent mail, who's sent emails, who's sent messages. Your support is incredible and I also love running into you at trade shows and events and just out on the hillside when we're hunting. I think that that's fantastic. I hope you guys keep adventuring as hard and as often as you can. Art for the Six Ranch Podcast was created by John Chatelain and was digitized by Celia Harlander. Original music was written and performed by Justin Hay, and the Six Ranch Podcast is now produced by Six Ranch Media. Thank you all so much for your continued support of the show, and I look forward to next week when we can bring you a brand new episode.